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A Happy Marriage of Growth and Stability

A Happy Marriage of Growth and Stability

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I recently learned that my great-grandfather Taylor Malone started a company with my husband’s great-great uncle, Joe Hyde, in Memphis, Tenn., my hometown. Oddly, it took us 11 years of marriage to learn this. We just found out thanks to a visit to a cemetery in Connecticut, but we’re happy to know now. It’s a great story about how we all need a balance of growth and stability to build great teams, to have successful careers, and to live the lives we imagine.

The whole story nicely illustrates something I learned about building cohesive teams from an executive at Apple. If I’d just been listening around the dinner table, maybe I could have learned it much sooner.

For much of my career, I tended to focus on hiring only the most hyper-ambitious people. I assumed that was the only way to succeed. Then a leader at Apple pointed out to me that all teams need stability as well as growth to function properly; nothing works well if everyone is gunning for the next promotion.

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She called the people on her team who got exceptional results but who were on a more gradual growth trajectory “rock stars” because they were like the Rock of Gibraltar of her team.

These people loved their work and were world-class at it, but they didn’t want her job or her boss’s job or to be Steve Jobs. They were happy where they were.

The people who were on a steeper growth trajectory—the ones who’d go crazy if they were still doing the same job in a year—she called “superstars.” They were the source of growth on any team. She was explicit about needing a balance of both.

This was a revelation. Apple was big but still growing like crazy. And yet Apple made room for people with all sorts of different ambitions. You had to be great at what you did and you had to love your work, but you did not have to be promotion-obsessed to have a fulfilling career at Apple.

For most of my career I’d systematically undervalued the so-called “rock stars.” This mistake had caused a lot of unhappiness for people who contributed significantly. (To learn more about balancing superstar mode and rock star mode, read chapters three and seven of Radical Candor.)

Taylor Malone was the ultimate rock star, a man focused on stability. He started Malone and Hyde to support his family, not because he had a passion for business. His passion was fishing. He worked hard, and the company did well. He fished on the weekends.

Joe Hyde was the ultimate superstar, an ambitious man focused on growth. His passion was to build a big business. The company did well, and he wanted to take on debt to grow faster.

Taylor Malone was worried about what the stress of debt and growth would do to his fishing weekends. He decided he’d rather give control to Joe Hyde, let him build on the foundation they’d dug together, forego much of the financial upside, and spend the time taking his grandkids, including my father, fishing.

Lest we leave our female forebears out of the story: My great-grandmother was so loved by her children and grandchildren that nobody could talk about her after she died without bursting into tears. So all I know about her is that she was much loved. But that’s enough to know...

Both Joe Hyde and Taylor Malone got what they wanted. My great-grandfather now fished three times a week, and Andy’s great-great uncle built their little store into Malone and Hyde, one of the largest food distributors in the country.

Both Joe Hyde and Taylor Malone’s decisions have contributed to our family’s psychological freedom to do what we want. They also remind us of the courage and clarity it takes to figure out what we really want.

Joe Hyde reminds us we can take risks and build something big when that’s what we want. Taylor Malone reminds us that may not be what we want, and we can live life at a slower pace and still be productive .

If you can build a team that balances growth and stability, that allows everyone to take a step in direction of their dreams, the benefits to you, your business can be surprising and delightful for generations to come.

Key Questions Covered

What is the difference between 'rock stars' and 'superstars' in Radical Candor?

In the Radical Candor framework, "rock stars" are team members on a gradual growth trajectory who are world-class at their work and deeply content in their current role — they don't need a promotion to feel fulfilled. "Superstars" are on a steeper growth trajectory and would go stir-crazy doing the same job for long; they're the engine of team growth. Both are essential. Great managers recognize and value each type rather than treating promotion-ambition as the only measure of a great employee.

Why do teams need both rock stars and superstars?

A team made up entirely of superstars can become unstable — everyone is gunning for the next promotion and nobody is anchored in deep expertise. Rock stars provide continuity, institutional knowledge, and reliable excellence. Superstars drive innovation and expansion. The Apple executive Kim Scott learned from was explicit: you need a deliberate balance of both to build a cohesive, high-performing team. Without that balance, either growth stalls or stability collapses.

Does being a 'rock star' mean you're less ambitious or less valuable?

Not at all. The term "rock star" comes from the Rock of Gibraltar — it signals strength and reliability, not complacency. Rock stars are often world-class performers who simply find deep satisfaction in mastering their current role rather than climbing the ladder. Kim Scott admits she systematically undervalued rock stars for much of her career, a mistake that caused real harm to high contributors. Being a rock star is a legitimate, valuable career orientation — not a consolation prize.

How can I tell which mode — rock star or superstar — someone is in right now?

The key is to have honest, ongoing career conversations. Ask your team members what they want their lives to look like in the future — not just their careers. Someone in superstar mode will express a drive to take on more responsibility and would feel frustrated staying in the same role. Someone in rock star mode will express satisfaction with their current work and a desire to deepen rather than broaden. Importantly, people can shift between modes at different life stages, so check in regularly rather than labeling someone permanently.

What's the danger of only hiring hyper-ambitious people?

If every person on your team is laser-focused on rapid advancement, you create competition over collaboration, high turnover as people move on quickly, and a lack of deep institutional expertise. Kim Scott learned this the hard way — by prioritizing only hyper-ambitious hires, she undervalued steady, expert contributors who were critical to team cohesion. A team without rock stars lacks the stable foundation that lets superstars thrive and take risks.

How does the Taylor Malone and Joe Hyde story illustrate the rock star/superstar balance?

Taylor Malone (Kim Scott's great-grandfather) was a rock star: he valued stability, loved fishing, and was happy to step back from ownership so he could live life at his own pace. Joe Hyde was a superstar: he wanted to grow the business aggressively and was willing to take on debt to do it. Rather than clashing, they found a natural division — Malone ceded control and Hyde built Malone & Hyde into one of the largest food distributors in the country. Both got exactly what they wanted because they were honest about it.

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