Absentee Management and Quiet Firing — What’s the Difference? 5 | 3
On this episode of the Radical Candor podcast, Kim, Jason and Amy discuss absentee management and quiet firing. While these two things can feel the...
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For a podcast about communication at work, we sometimes use corporate jargon that doesn't always make sense—even to us. We disagree about corporate speak and what it means. Case in point, managing out. What does managing out mean? How do you know if you're being managed out? There’s definitely some misalignment on what “managing people out” means versus what it’s supposed to mean — maybe we need a new word. According to the business dictionary Jargonism, The definition of Managing Someone Out is, “The practice of giving an employee undesirable tasks, so that the employee leaves a company voluntarily.” It means something else to Kim, and Brandi thinks "managing out" is a term rife with manipulative insincerity. Listen to the conversation then let us know what you think about managing out!
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In the human resources subreddit, user arooooh-ra says: “In our small U.S.-based non-profit, when someone is no longer a fit, or is underperforming, leadership’s common tactic is to manage them out of the organization instead of firing them. “Managing them out” includes a variety of things including reducing their responsibilities, shifting them to a new supervisor, giving them lots of negative feedback on performance (usually informally; PIPs are rarely used), generally micromanaging them. Eventually, they get the message and quit. While it’s an effective strategy in some ways, I do have concerns about it creating a toxic work environment, both for the employee being managed out and for their teammates. If nothing else, it feels incredibly dehumanizing for the person getting managed out. It seems more honest to be more direct about it and just let them go.”
This sounds like quiet firing or even mobbing if the manager brings other people into the act of trying to push the employee out.
From our research, managing out is most often associated with this behavior. The Radical Candor teams share their perspective!
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The term 'managing out' is used in two very different ways. The business dictionary Jargonism defines it as 'the practice of giving an employee undesirable tasks so that the employee leaves a company voluntarily.' This is essentially a covert way to push someone out without formally firing them. However, the Radical Candor team notes that the phrase can also be used more broadly to mean helping an employee transition out of a role or organization in a direct, honest, and humane way — which is a very different thing from the manipulative version.
Quiet firing and the manipulative version of 'managing out' are closely related. Both involve a manager making an employee's work life unpleasant enough that the employee chooses to quit rather than being formally let go. Tactics can include reducing responsibilities, shifting supervisors, informal negative feedback, and micromanaging. The Radical Candor team notes that if a manager enlists other employees in pushing someone out, it can even cross into workplace mobbing. These approaches are dehumanizing and create toxic environments for the targeted employee and their teammates.
Brandi Neal, one of the show's producers, describes 'managing out' as a term 'rife with manipulative insincerity.' The concern is that when organizations use indirect tactics — reducing responsibilities, informal criticism, micromanaging — to force an employee to quit, they are avoiding an honest conversation. Radical Candor's core principle is direct, caring communication, so using subtle pressure to push someone out without clearly addressing the situation violates that principle and is ultimately more harmful to everyone involved.
The Radical Candor approach favors honesty and directness over manipulation. Rather than assigning undesirable tasks or micromanaging someone into quitting, a manager should have a clear, candid conversation about performance issues — ideally with a formal improvement plan. If the situation truly can't be resolved, letting someone go directly and respectfully is far more humane than engineering their departure through toxic workplace dynamics. Transparency protects both the employee's dignity and the health of the broader team.
Common signs that you may be being managed out include: your responsibilities are being quietly reduced, you've been shifted to a new supervisor without clear explanation, you're receiving frequent informal negative feedback but no structured improvement plan, or you're being micromanaged in ways that feel punitive. If multiple colleagues seem to be joining in on the pressure, that could signal mobbing. Experts suggest documenting these patterns and, if possible, having a direct conversation with your manager to surface what is actually happening.
The podcast highlights that even within the Radical Candor team there is disagreement about the term. Kim Scott uses 'managing out' to mean something closer to its more constructive interpretation — helping someone transition out of a role or organization in a thoughtful, honest way. Brandi Neal, on the other hand, sees the phrase itself as loaded with manipulative connotations based on how it is most commonly used in practice. The team acknowledges the term may need to be replaced entirely to avoid the confusion.
Three ways to put this into practice.
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