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How to be Radically Candid About B.O.

How to be Radically Candid About B.O.

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In an article about Radical Candor in the Financial Times recently, Mrs. Moneypenny described a Dreaded Moment for a boss. This is an experience that anyone who’s been a manager for over 10 years has had: the employee with extreme body odor. If you're wondering how to tell someone they smell, you can do it with Radical Candor.

When I taught a class called "Managing" at Apple, I would bring up the awkward case of body odor as a case study, and in each class I taught, several managers would describe how they handled the situation, and one brave soul would tell of the time when they had been on the receiving end--when they had been the person who stank, and their boss had told them.

At first, I was surprised at how many B.O. stories and managers struggling to figure out how to tell someone they smelled I heard. But I found when I started raising the subject, they were everywhere. This situation was not unique to Apple, a result of Steve Jobs’s legendary B.O. It happened at Google all the time. And it’s not unique to tech. It happened when I worked as a bank teller in Memphis, at a diamond-cutting factory in Moscow, and at a pediatric clinic in Kosovo.

I was talking to a friend who worked in an open office in Australia. There was one section of the office he avoided even walking by because somebody in the vicinity smelled so bad. When he had to meet with people who sat over there, he IM’d them and asked them to come over to his desk. Relieved to get away from the stench for a moment, they came with alacrity. People avoided being assigned desks anywhere on that part of the floor. Why did nobody just tell the person?

How to Tell Someone They Smell With Radical Candor

How to Tell Someone They Smell With Radical Candor

Mrs. Moneypenny has a lot to teach us about getting creative when handling this delicate issue of how to tell someone they smell. She came up with an ingenious solution: she bought an employee with B.O. a white sea island cotton shirt and warned him that excessive perspiration would ruin it. In this context, she asked him which antiperspirant he used, and he explained to her that he used deodorant but not an antiperspirant. She suggested he start using both. He did, and the problem was solved.

Some people when reading this story will condemn the purchase of the white shirt, saying that they would prefer a boss who just told them plainly. Certainly, buying clothes for employees is itself risky. I once had a boss who didn’t approve of my baggy Levis and purchased a pair of skin-tight jeans for me. That didn’t go over so well. But it seems to me the purchase of the white shirt was an act of kindness on Mrs. Moneypenny’s part.

While some people would prefer a boss who’d just come out and tell them if they stank, others wouldn’t. It seems clear that Mrs. Moneypenny had an employee who would not have reacted well if she’d simply told him his body odor was making it hard for his colleagues to work with him. While some of us would prefer to get the white shirt, others would prefer that our boss just say it. And while some of us would prefer to give the white shirt, others would prefer to just say it.

The tricky thing as a boss is to adapt to how people will best hear your criticism without putting yourself in an unbearably uncomfortable situation. In general, the onus is on the boss to adapt to saying things in the way that it’s easiest for the employee to hear them. Clarity gets measured at the listener’s ear, not at the speaker’s mouth.

Some might even call the purchase of the white shirt manipulative. I wouldn’t, though. Manipulative implies unscrupulous control of a situation or person for one’s own ends. Mrs. Moneypenny was just trying to help this guy, she wasn’t trying to get him to do something that hurt him but helped her. Somebody here will raise the health concerns of aluminum in antiperspirants. I think this conversation happened before these risks were so well-publicized. The conversation would be even trickier today....

Bottom line: by buying the shirt, Mrs. Moneypenny showed she cared. And by being brave enough to ask her employee which antiperspirant he used, she was “Challenging Directly.” She was raising a difficult issue to talk about directly. So I’d put the way she handled the situation in the “radical candor” quadrant, but I'd call it "deft candor."

Generally, we think of candor as blunt and somewhat harsh, saying something like, “When you start to stink after lunch every day, your colleagues find it hard to work with you.” However, as Mrs. Moneypenny showed, candor can be delicate as well as blunt. It may not always sound as nice as when delivered by Mrs. Moneypenny, but, when combined with caring personally, it is kind.

Toward the end of her piece Mrs. Moneypenny raises a difficult question: what happens if you don’t like an employee? It’s hard to Care Personally about somebody you just don’t like. You can read about that one here.

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Key Questions Covered

How do I tell an employee they have body odor without humiliating them?

The key is to combine caring personally with challenging directly — the heart of Radical Candor. You can be direct without being harsh. Find a private moment, keep the conversation short and compassionate, and focus on the impact rather than making it a character judgment. If a blunt conversation feels too risky given the employee's personality, get creative — like Mrs. Moneypenny, who used the gift of a shirt as a gentle opener to discuss antiperspirant. The goal is clarity at the listener's ear, not just honesty at the speaker's mouth.

What is 'deft candor' and how is it different from regular Radical Candor?

Deft candor is Radical Candor delivered with subtlety and creativity rather than bluntness. It still lives in the Radical Candor quadrant — you're genuinely caring about the person AND addressing the issue directly — but you find an indirect or inventive way to open the conversation. Mrs. Moneypenny's white shirt approach is the classic example: she cared enough to act, and she raised the difficult topic directly, just not with a blunt "you smell." It's proof that candor can be delicate as well as direct.

Why do so many managers avoid telling employees they have body odor?

Because it feels deeply uncomfortable and personal. Managers worry about embarrassing the employee, damaging the relationship, or being accused of being cruel. The discomfort is so widespread that Kim Scott encountered B.O. stories in every industry she worked in — tech, banking, diamond manufacturing, healthcare. Yet the avoidance usually makes things worse: colleagues route around the employee, productivity suffers, and the person with the problem never gets the chance to fix it. Staying silent is not kindness — it's ruinous empathy.

How should I adapt my feedback style to how the employee will best receive it?

Radical Candor puts the onus on the manager to adapt. As Kim Scott writes, "Clarity gets measured at the listener's ear, not at the speaker's mouth." Some employees would genuinely prefer a direct, plain-spoken conversation. Others would react poorly and shut down. You know your employee best — use that knowledge to choose the delivery method that makes it easiest for them to actually hear and act on the feedback, without letting that adaptation become an excuse to avoid the conversation altogether.

Is it manipulative to use an indirect approach like buying someone a shirt to raise a sensitive topic?

No — manipulation implies using underhanded tactics for your own benefit at someone else's expense. Mrs. Moneypenny's shirt was an act of genuine care: she wanted to help her employee, not exploit him. The indirect approach was simply a means to make a difficult conversation easier for him to receive. As long as the intent is to help the person and the issue is still raised clearly, a creative or gentle approach falls squarely within Radical Candor — not manipulation.

What happens if I don't actually like the employee — can I still give Radical Candor?

This is one of the harder challenges in management. Radical Candor asks you to Care Personally, which is genuinely difficult when you dislike someone. Kim Scott acknowledges this tension directly in the post but addresses it in depth in a separate piece. The short answer: you still have a professional obligation to give honest feedback, even if warm personal feelings aren't there. Finding something — anything — to respect about the person can help you access enough care to deliver feedback constructively rather than cruelly.

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