Kim, Jason, and Amy discuss a listener's question about how to confront and disrupt bias in management at work for women working in male-dominated fields. Jason and Kim role-play a scenario where a manager is clearly biased and explain how to disrupt bias in the moment. They also discuss documenting incidents and when it's time to go to HR.
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Dear Radical Candor,
I have a daughter in the mechanical engineering field, which is very male-dominated. She often experiences bias from her new managers. In her words, “The manager is actually a very nice guy.”This leads me to believe that he isn’t intentional in his actions but just isn’t aware of what he is doing. The conventional process is to go to HR and they will covertly look for situations that support this and then get rid of him. The realism is that the next person (let’s be real, regardless of race or gender) may be just as biased, just in a different orientation So, the cycle continues.
How does she manage up (or coach up) to help her manager understand what she observes, and help them to be a better manager? There is often a changeover in management. This change, especially at a low level is often someone who has no experience or training in managing. They aren't necessarily the smartest or most experienced in the department. They may not even be the most qualified person in the group.
All in all, what I am asking is: How does an individual at a power disadvantage make timely observations or dare I say corrections to the power advantaged without it being interpreted as being hostile or undermining? How does a person present these strategies to HR and those in authority to change the culture so that it is expected to coach each other, and hold each other accountable, up, down and laterally, and that there is a safe and respectful way to do this?
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00:00 Confronting Bias at Work
08:26 Recognizing Bias and Growth Mindset
13:33 Going to HR or Addressing Bias Directly
19:09 Managing Up and Coaching Up
23:39 Role Play: Addressing Bias with Manager
28:15 Reflecting on the Role Play
34:59 Double Standards and Prejudice
37:11 Being Tough in the Workplace
39:03 Dealing with Biased Perceptions
41:40 Coaching Managers
43:26 Building Relationships with Managers
46:02 Addressing Bias and Prejudice
48:57 Creating Cultures of Open Communication
52:41 Building Solidarity and Documenting Incidents
54:49 Summary and Closing Remarks
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