How Do You Get Stuff Done Without Telling People What to Do? Talk Less, Listen More
*This article about creating a culture of listening is part of our new series about the Get Stuff Done (GSD) Wheel and has been excerpted from ...
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*This article about learning is part of our new series about the Get Stuff Done (GSD) Wheel and has been excerpted from Radical Candor: Be a Kickass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity.
Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
— RALPH WALDO EMERSON, 'SELF-RELIANCE'
By the time you’ve reached “Learn” — the last spot on the Get Stuff Done Wheel — you and your team have put in a ton of work, you’ve achieved something, and you want it to be great.
And it is human nature for us to become attached — often unreasonably attached — to projects we’ve invested a lot of time and energy into. It can take almost superhuman discipline to step back, acknowledge when our results could be a lot better or are simply no good, and learn from the experience.
Drew Houston, co-founder and CEO of Dropbox, is the most committed and humble learner I’ve ever encountered in my career. The reason why Dropbox has hundreds of millions of users is because the company, led by Drew, has been relentless in making the product intuitive and easy to use.
Drew has been singularly willing to try things, admit they didn’t work as well as he’d hoped, and pivot. Hard as it is to launch and iterate with your company’s products, though, it’s much harder to do the same with one’s self.
But what really impressed me about Drew was that he is even more relentless in reshaping himself as CEO than he is in improving upon the product his company builds.
Drew has probably read and reread every book on management ever written. He has thought extremely deeply about what kind of company he wants to build, and what kind of leader he wants to be.
In his book Denial, Richard Tedlow writes about dozens of painful failures that have resulted when otherwise brilliant and successful people refused to see, let alone admit to, their mistakes.
A colleague of mine once built a team that was getting absolutely terrible results, but he just couldn’t admit it. Those of us who were trying to point it out to him were mystified.
When we finally got through to him, he exclaimed, “It’s unbearably painful to admit it when you have an ugly baby!”
It’s obvious that good bosses learn from mistakes and successes alike and keep improving. And yet, denial is actually the more common reaction to imperfect execution than learning. Why is learning so rare?
When managing a large team, I found there were two enormous pressures that tempted me to quit learning.
We are often told that changing our position makes us a “flip-flopper” or “erratic” or “lacking principles.” I prefer John Maynard Keynes’s idea that “When the facts change, I change my mind.”
The key, of course, is communication. Someone might reasonably complain, “Just two months ago you convinced me of X and now you’re telling me maybe not- X after all?”
You obviously can’t change course like this lightly, and if you do, you need to be able to explain clearly and convincingly why things have changed. I’d often revisit the listen, clarify, debate, and decide steps with an inner circle.
When it was time to persuade the broader team again after we’d reached a new conclusion, it was important to take a deep breath and share, patiently and repeatedly, how we’d gotten there, and to call out the change in direction explicitly.
Sometimes we’re overwhelmed by our work and personal lives, and these are the moments when it is hardest to learn from our results and to start the whole cycle over again.
That’s why you are at the very center of the wheel that moves you forward as a manager.
You’ve got to take care of yourself, first and foremost. That’s easier said than done, of course.
Dick Costolo showed a remarkable ability to remain centered. While I was his coach, the press took Dick on a hero-shithead roller-coaster ride the likes of which I’ve never seen.
Watching from the sidelines stressed me out more than it stressed him out, even though he was at the center of the storm and I was at a safe distance.
After a particularly horrible day of bad press, I woke up in the middle of the night after having a dream that the Twitter office building was on a launchpad and that we were blasting into space without our space suits.
I woke my husband up with a shout and then couldn’t go back to sleep. Dick told me he’d slept soundly through the night.
When everybody was singing Dick’s praises as if he were the Second Coming, he reacted with characteristic self-deprecating humor.
Every celebrity you could imagine was offering Dick invitations that most of us would have given our eyeteeth to have, and he declined most to make sure he could both focus on operations at Twitter and get home to have dinner with his family.
When everyone went on the attack, he quoted his daughter: “Dad! Bad news and good news. Bad news: you’re on the Yahoo! Finance list of the five worst CEOs this year. Good news: you’re number five.”
But Dick didn’t pretend that nothing was wrong, either. This was not just a difficult time for him, it was a difficult time for Twitter. He gave a talk to the company about the “mental toughness” required to remain confident in the face of a barrage of bad press.
I felt awkward as I got weepy listening to him talk, but then I looked around and saw I was far from alone.
I think a lot of Dick’s mental toughness came from his ability to stay centered, to do things like block two hours of think-time on his calendar every day.
We undervalue the emotional labor of being the boss. But this emotional labor is not just part of the job; it’s the key to being a good boss. Make sure to set yourself up for success by doing what you need to do to stay centered.
This post has been excerpted from Radical Candor: Be a Kickass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity (get bulk book discounts for teams!). Learn more about the GSD Wheel in chapter 4 of Radical Candor and download our reading guide to test your knowledge of the concepts as you go. (Read the previous post about implementation >>)
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'Learn' is the final step on the Get Stuff Done (GSD) Wheel, as described in Kim Scott's Radical Candor. After you and your team have worked through listening, clarifying, debating, deciding, persuading, and executing, the Learn step asks you to honestly assess results — both successes and failures — and use those insights to restart the cycle. The challenge is that human nature makes us overly attached to our work, making honest self-assessment feel almost superhuman in difficulty.
According to the post, two main pressures push people away from learning: the pressure to appear consistent, and burnout. Society often labels leaders who change their minds as 'flip-floppers,' making it socially costly to update your views. Meanwhile, burnout saps the energy needed to reflect honestly on outcomes. Richard Tedlow's book Denial also highlights how even brilliant, successful people refuse to acknowledge mistakes — a pattern that can derail careers and organizations alike.
The key is clear, proactive communication. Kim Scott recommends revisiting the listen, clarify, debate, and decide steps with a close inner circle first. When it's time to inform the broader team of a changed position, explain patiently and repeatedly how you arrived at the new conclusion, and explicitly call out the change in direction. Framing the shift with evidence — echoing Keynes's idea that 'when the facts change, I change my mind' — helps teams understand that updating your view is a sign of intellectual honesty, not weakness.
Burnout makes it hard to step back and honestly assess results because you're already running on empty. The post places the manager at the center of the GSD Wheel for exactly this reason — you have to take care of yourself first. Former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo is offered as a model: he blocked two hours of uninterrupted think-time on his calendar every day and prioritized family dinners even during intense public scrutiny. Protecting your own mental and emotional reserves isn't self-indulgent; it's what allows you to keep the learning cycle going.
In this post, mental toughness means staying centered and grounded when external noise — praise or criticism — threatens to knock you off course. Dick Costolo exemplified this at Twitter by neither getting swept up in hero-level adulation nor crumbling under harsh press attacks. He acknowledged difficulties honestly while protecting his focus and equanimity through deliberate routines. The post frames this as the emotional labor of leadership: not suppressing feelings, but doing the work to remain stable enough to keep learning and leading effectively.
Kim Scott describes Dropbox co-founder Drew Houston as the most committed and humble learner she has encountered in her career. What sets him apart is not just his relentless iteration on Dropbox's product — trying things, admitting when they don't work, and pivoting — but his equal willingness to reshape himself as a CEO. He has read deeply on management, thought carefully about the kind of leader he wants to be, and applied the same experimental mindset to his own growth that he applies to the product. That combination of product and personal learning is credited as central to Dropbox's success.
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