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Podcast Season 3, Episode 3: Radically Candid Conversations — Kim Scott & Trier Bryant Talk Bias, Prejudice & Bullying In the Workplace

On this episode of the Radical Candor podcast, we’re bringing back our Radically Candid Conversations series. Amy talks to Kim Scott about her new book Just Work: Get Sh*t Done, Fast & Fair, and her new company Just Work that she’s launching with Trier Bryant. Kim and Trier break down how to recognize, address and eliminate bias, prejudice and bullying in the workplace to create more just working environments. Buy the book, learn about the company and listen to the podcast to learn why just work environments aren’t just the right thing to do, they’re also good for business.

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Episode At a Glance

On this episode of the Radical Candor podcast, we’re talking about combatting injustice at work so everyone can feel safe to just work. There are things each of us can do, today, to create the kind of workplace in which we can all do the best work of our lives, and enjoy working together.

Leaders can take active measures to prevent injustice. Observers can be upstanders, not silent bystanders. When someone is harmed by injustice, they can choose how to respond. When someone causes harm, they can address what they did in a way that makes them part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

Kim Scott’s new book, Just Work: Get Sh*t Done, Fast & Fair, and her new company Just Work, seek to educate people that it’s everyone’s job to fix workplace injustice. We all have a role to play. When we can parse the problem of workplace injustice it’s easier to begin to identify effective responses to each new challenge. Amy Sandler interviews Kim Scott and Trier Bryant about how to create more just workplaces.

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Trier Bryant, CEO and co-founder of Just Work, and Kim Scott author of Just Work: Get Sh*t Done, Fast & Fair the book and co-founder of the company.

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Learn to recognize the difference between bias, prejudice, and bullying and to respond differently to each. Bias is “not meaning it,” prejudice is “meaning it,” and bullying is “being mean.”

  • Confront bias with an “I” statement, an invitation to the person to see things the way you do. For example, “I don’t think you meant that the way it sounded.”
  • Confront prejudice with an “it” statement that clearly shows the person where the line between their right to believe whatever they want and your right not to allow them to impose their beliefs on you is. An “it” statement can appeal to the law: “it is illegal to,” or to an HR policy, “it is a violation to” or to common human decency, “it is cruel to…” Confront bullying with a “you” statement.
  • Confront bullying with a “you” statement that shows a person there will be negative consequences for their behavior. The consequence doesn’t have to be super intense — sometimes just asking a person a question that it’s hard for them to answer is enough. For example, “What’s going on for you here?” Or “You can’t talk to me that way.”

The “I” statement invites the other person in, the “it” statement shows them where the fence is, and the “you” statement pushes them away.

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Just Work Courses & Workshops

Our first course, Just Work: Get Sh*Done, Fast & Fair, in partnership with Chairman Mom, starts March 16, and you can sign up here. Use code VIP to save $200!

If you’re interested in our doing a talk or workshop in your organization, please contact us.

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Just Work is Available for Pre-Order

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Pre-order Kim’s new book, Just Work: Get Sh*t Done, Fast & Fair, to learn how we can recognize, attack, and eliminate workplace injustice ― and transform our careers and organizations in the process.

We ― all of us ― consistently exclude, underestimate, and underutilize huge numbers of people in the workforce even as we include, overestimate, and promote others, often beyond their level of competence. Not only is this immoral and unjust, but it’s also bad for business. Just Work is the solution.

Just Work is Kim’s new book, revealing a practical framework for both respecting everyone’s individuality and collaborating effectively. This is the essential guide leaders and their employees need to create more just workplaces and establish new norms of collaboration and respect.


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