Podcast Episode 22: It's About Humans, Not Resources
Do you ever get so caught up in achieving results at work that you forget that the people around you are real people? Even the most empathetic of us...
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As a manager, your job is to help your people grow. But have you ever asked yourself, "Grow into what?" This week, Russ and Kim talk about a technique for getting to know the people on your team, understanding the things that motivate them, learning about their dreams, and helping them make tangible progress towards those dreams.
Listen to this week's episode:
In previous episodes of the Radical Candor podcast, Kim and Russ have talked a lot about feedback. This week, they dive into another way to build relationships with people on your team: Career Conversations.
Russ developed this process when he was at Google when he noticed that a lot of people felt frustrated that they weren't getting where they wanted to be in their careers. They felt stuck, like they weren't making any progress.
Russ came to realize that these people needed a sense of their endgame and an intentional process for putting together a short-term plan, so he came up with this Career Conversations approach.
Kim and Russ share stories about people they've worked with, and even their own experiences with career dreams and conversations. Kim acknowledges:
It's hard to say your dreams out loud, especially to your boss.
But as a boss, part of your responsibility is to encourage people to dream, and to help them take a step in the direction of their dreams.
You need to give people license to dream.
Russ and Kim finish off the episode with tips for getting started with Career Conversations.
Tip 1: Have a Life Story conversation
Tip 2: Have a Visions conversation
Tip 3: Create a Career Action Plan
Learn more about these tips by listening to the episode!
Get a little more detail on the Career Conversations process with the following links:
Career Conversations are a structured approach — developed by Russ Laraway at Google — for managers to deeply understand what motivates each person on their team, learn about their long-term dreams, and help them make tangible progress toward those dreams. Rather than generic check-ins, Career Conversations give employees a sense of their endgame and an intentional short-term plan to get there.
The Career Conversations process has three steps:
Together these steps help managers connect day-to-day work to each employee's deeper goals.
Russ Laraway noticed at Google that many people felt frustrated and stuck because they lacked a clear sense of their endgame and had no intentional process for making progress. Career Conversations address this by helping employees articulate their dreams and then creating a plan that bridges where they are now to where they want to be — turning vague dissatisfaction into actionable steps forward.
Kim Scott acknowledges that it can feel vulnerable and even risky to say your dreams out loud, especially to your boss. Employees may worry about being judged, pigeon-holed, or seen as dissatisfied. That's why managers need to actively give people "license to dream" — creating psychological safety so that sharing ambitions feels encouraged rather than threatening.
Standard performance reviews typically focus on past performance and near-term goals tied to the job at hand. Career Conversations go deeper — they start with a person's life story and long-term vision, then work backward to build a plan. The focus is on the whole person and their growth trajectory, not just whether they hit their quarterly targets. This makes the process more motivating and relationship-building for both manager and employee.
Three ways to put this into practice.
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